19) How do you feel about the work you did for Motown in the early '60s... from a professional/business standpoint ... from a personal standpoint ... from an artistic standpoint?
I'm sorry I ever worked for Motown...Berry Gordy was very nice, I liked him and I liked Marc Gordon who later produced other groups away from Motown, but not so much others tho' I loved to work for Jerry Long and Lee Young, both fine producers, Frank Wilson was good to work for, a couple of others. Lee was the drummer with Nat King Cole btw....his son worked as attny for Motown in the 1970s.
We did dates for Motown for cash (verboten for Union musicians to do) and did that because we liked the music, it was a LOT better than recording the surf rock etc.. and honestly tho't we were giving this "new" company a break in getting going (it was 1962 and they had just rented parts of 2 floors of offices in the then-new Sunset-Vine Towers building - I played guitar on their dates at first). I got to really create some good bass lines on top of what the arrangers wrote too. Gene Page would write 2 kinds of bass parts (he told me) in case I couldn't make the date....he wrote some interesting lines but I still had to add notes to make them swing better (more up-beat notes)...
We heard "demos" which were from back east and so knew after 2-3 years what we were recording were NOT demos, but actual hit tracks, mainly the 4 Tops and Supremes which engineer Armin Steiner talked about in 2 interviews with magazines. You don't record "demos" from "demos", you cut hit recordings from "demos." I'm not the only one in Hollywood written in magazines about recording Motown, others like Joe Sample, Steve Douglas, Earl Palmer, etc. have been quoted about our work early 1960s work in recording Motown too. Sometimes even a few of our group which normally weren't called for Motown (Hal Blaine and Don Randi) had no idea of the rest of the scores of dates we all did for them too...
Motown out here in the Hollywood area, had 9 bass players recording for them since 1962 when they had offices out here. Arthur Wright was the first, I was 2nd of that group of 9 bassists recording for them...we probably recorded 35-40% of the 1960s Motown out here, after Gordy's wife left (about 1962). She was the one who played piano and rehearsed the groups, and helped with arrangements (she says in her book) back east in Detroit but at that time, around 1962, she left for NY, leaving Mr. Gordy who then writes in his book that he found it "difficult to work with the Detroit crew, and besides they were on the road with the groups - he wrote about all the great tracks coming from Hollywood in 1964....
it was after Mr. Gordy's wife (she played piano, rehearsed the groups, and claimed that she also arranged for them, and had started the company) left that they farmed work out to the west coast...knowing we were the hot group of hit-making musicians and easy to work with. I know many who feel like I do, that they're sorry they did that against Union rules. We tried to help them with cash dates (like we did with a few new fledgling record co's and then insist they join the Union which they did if they wanted more hits with us)...we let Motown go on for a long time...unfortunately.
They're the only company that was kind of shady with keeping records. All the rest of the record co's we worked for were fine, except maybe for the mixed-up recording contracts sometimes with Philles, and the occasional off-beat payment to one musician forgotten to be included on a prior contract, etc. and also, sometimes with changed dates on the contracts the record co's did, to avoid "late-fee" payments when sending our checks to the Musicians Union. YOu can't trust dates posted on the internet, nor even from the re-issue data.....record co's usually go with the date that the singers finally put their voices on the tracks, not the original tracks also.
I just did an interview a few weeks
ago with this man who is a huge Monkees fan;
we were talking about how I played on this and
that, and I finally had to tell him, “Listen, I hate
the Monkees!” I really don’t hate them, but the
music started getting to me. We beat ourselves
up, year after year, drinking coffee and smoking
cigarettes, so after a while you got a little tired of
the rock & roll, which is why we did the Motown
stuff for cash dates.
I probably shouldn't have sent you the ones about Motown, as I really don't care about my Motown credits at all, actually am very sorry I ever worked for Motown for many reasons. Arthur Wright was the first early 60s Motown-LA bass player (1962 on) - there were at least 9 bass players recording for Motown out here....
I've always been for the Detroit crew getting their credits, have always mentioned Jamerson as the "inventor of Motown bass lines", was the only one who helped him get work out here beginning in 1970s.....and always mentioned the 60-65% of the Motown recordings that were cut back in Detroit during my 100s of seminars from 1970s on....but have been cruelly singled out and viciously attacked for defending myself....
I know the rest of our crew are sorry they ever worked for Motown too....and I don't even talk about that work...so in a way, I'm sorry I ever sent those to you, as I don't want anything to do with that kind of music or people the rest of my life....altho' at the time in the 60s, it was a welcome relief from all the surf rock we were cutting....
even Gordy speaks about "all the great tracks coming out of Hollywood in 1964" in his book...and many like Earl Palmer wrote about our Motown work in his book (even Hal Blaine did some of those too)...Motown has had offices out here since 1962 after Gordy's piano-playing arranger 2nd wife left him - she was the one who got all the groups rehearsed and arranged in Detroit....after she left was about the time we all started out here - Motown has always been out here since '62...so that's the gist of all that....thanks, Carol PS. BTW, I abhor the terrible "demonizing" of Berry Gordy with that film-doc too, he was a very nice man, very friendly and good to be around. He put a lot of people to work in both places, Detroit and LA, and is a very big part of the music world and should be respected, he's a good guy.
Other studio musicians feel the same way I do, we were wrong to do Motown at first as "demos" (tho' they weren't demos!) and let them slide with the non-union stuff, and so everyone is pretty quiet about this, we knew we were wrong to do that and so they're sorry to ever have been a big part of Motown also. Being a "tune" person, I happen to remember those songs we did, but few others do, they just remember "tons of record dates for motown."
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